Showing posts with label Engine Tech. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Engine Tech. Show all posts

Sunday, 15 July 2018

Cam comparison BC 272 vs BC 276

BC came up with a cam that is comparable with the GSC S2 and Kelford 272, they called it BC276 This is the dyno i found comparing it Source : http://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/my-newest-dyno-numbers-801whp-608tq-bc-276-cams.483130/

Monday, 21 May 2018

Connecting Rods , Tuff ?

Pics by Real ST

Comparison of
Eagle H Beam , Manley H Beam , Manley new series of H Tuff , BC rods

This is Manley's new H-Tuff H-Beam rod. This is a stronger beam construction, allowing you to make more power safely on an H-Beam than before. This H-Beam's construction can handle more power without adding considerable weight to the design. This rod bridges the gap between the previous h-beam design and the turbo-tuff I-Beam design which is considerably more expensive.

This is a great option for someone who is worried about maxing out the hp rating of the h-beam but not looking to step all the way up to an I-Beam.
MANUFACTURER DESCRIPTION
Manley "H Tuff" Beam connecting rods are manufactured from 4340 forgings to the same exacting standards developed and approved by our original equipment customers. There is a vast difference in quality between a Manley "H" Beam and the "other" inexpensive H-Beams on the market. Weight matched to +/- 1.5 grams. Perfectly round big and small ends. Bend and twist is tightly controlled.

Features:

  • H-Tuff Series with heavier beam for higher boost applications
  • Manufactured from 4340 forgings
  • Heat treated, stress relieved, shot peened and 100% individually magnafluxed
  • Weight matched sets + 1.5 grams
  • Cap fasteners are 3/8" ARP 2000 for the”H” Beam and 3/8" ARP Custom Age 625+ for the H-Plus






Sunday, 2 November 2014

Connecting Rod Weight


Connecting Rod Weights , below are some collected data of Connecting Rod weights from forumers

Stock = 695 grams

Aluminum:
GRP = 470 grams
Map = 470-480 grams
Groden = 490 grams
R&R = 500 grams

All other material:
Crower titanium = 410 grams
Carrillo = 520 grams
Engine pro = 557 gram
Manley H beam = 573 grams
Eagle = 575 grams
Oliver = 605 grams
Pauter lightweight = 610 grams
Crower = 612 grams
Scat = 640 grams
Map billet rods = 652 grams
Pauter = 685 grams
Manley I beam = 690 grams

Steel R&R

R&R 156mm I beam - 602g
R&R 159mm H beam- 568g
R&R 156mm H beam (discontinued for the most part)- 548g

Manley Turbo Tuff - 680
MAP Howard Rods - 652 (only rod with 3/8 bolts, all others have 7/16) 
Crower - 607
Carillo - 574 
Oliver is 585 
Eagles 590

source : http://www.evolutionm.net/forums/evo-engine-turbo-drivetrain/593358-evo-rod-weights.html#post9894486

Friday, 24 January 2014

Custom Intake Manifold for Mitsubishi , Honda , Toyota , Nissan

Custom intake manifolds for all cars including Mitsusbishi , Toyota, Honda , Nissan and even K-Car. Head flanges are CNC cut and all intakes have CNC cut velocity stacks.
Let us know the plenum size & runner length, we will do it for you.







CnC Port and Polish Head , Evo , Honda , Toyota , Mitsubishi

Increase head flow with CnC Porting available at Fatboy Racing Malaysia





Tuesday, 15 January 2013

Manley H Beam vs I Beam

Hello guys, I know everyone is looking for comparisons for the manley conrods. I found these pictures on evolutionm.net and would like to share with you guys. Notice the weight and design. The question is, do you really need a I beam ? Source : Realstreetperformance




Manley turbo tuff vs standard evo


Tuesday, 8 January 2013

Wiseco vs Wiseco 1400HD

Since everyone over the internet is looking for pictures for the differences  my buddy Mr Matt decided to share me some pictures. The Wiseco HD comes with a .22 pin instead of a .20 pin. Notice the piston is a asymmetrical skirt design and the much deeper valve relief ports.





Credits to

Monday, 7 January 2013

Wiseco new 4G63 series , but do you notice the diffrences

Wiseco has a new range of pistons, but does everybody notice the diffrences in the Compression Height ? How will it effect our clearance.


4G63 Valve Spring Rates and Tests

Valve spring comparison #2
Evo VIII, Stock DSM, Manley, Brian Crower


 From left to right

· Used EVO VIII
· Used Stock 4G63
· Used Manley
· Used BC1100
· New BC1100
The EVO springs, set of 16, tested 58-62 lbs @ 1.530


Used stock 4G63 valve spring Appox. 140k miles
56lbs @ 1.530


Used Manley Valve spring, mileage unknown.
78lbs @ 1.530


Used BC1100 valve spring, Appox 5000 miles
85 lbs @ 1.530 
There must have been a change in the production of the springs about 2-3 years ago. Since the used springs test stronger than the new ones.


New BC1100, right out of the box
80 lbs @ 1.530   


Part Number #160-1280

Free length 1.910
O.D. 1.110
I.D. .754
Wire size .145x.178


Closed position
pressure & Length (intalled specs)
66@1.575 Valve closed

Open position
Pressure & length Valve Open
160@1.240

solid height
1.100

The factory installed springs should be close to this also.

EDIT: I just checked 7 sets of used 4G63 valve springs, and only came up with 1 and a half sets of decent used springs.
Most springs checked between 45-55 Lbs @ 1.575
I would say a good spring should test at 60lbs@1.575, Most spring manufactures, will allow 10% loss in spring tention for spring "break in"
I used a Rimac spring pressure tester.


Ferrea “beehive” Spring info


Specs on the springs
- Spring O.D. - 23.87mm / 28.07mm = .939/1.105
- Spring I.D. - 14.73mm / 18.85mm = .579/.742
- Seat Pressure - 90 lbs. @38mm = 1.496
- Open Pressure - 225 lbs. @28mm =1.102
- Rate Inch - 342 lbs.
- Coil Bind - 23mm =.905
- Max Net Lift – 13.5mm = .531
- Spring Material - PAC Alloy

http://www.extremepsi.com/store/cust...at=1417&page=1

BC 1100 Valve spring info
Spring Pressure:
BC1100 Seat:
Colsed 1.500" @ 95 lbs /
Open: 1.000" @ 235 lbs /
Coil Bind: 0.935"
(no machine work required)

http://www.briancrower.com/makes/mitsubishi/4g63.shtml


GSC Power-Division 4G63T Beehive Single Spring Set
Spring Pressures :
Seat @ 1.56"=68 lbs / .300"=160lbs / .400"=190lbs / .450"=210lbs / .625"= Coil bind.

http://www.vr-speed.com/store/gsc-po...63-p-2046.html


Kiggley springs
97lb Seat Pressure at 1.440"

325lb/in Rate

http://www.shop.kigglyracing.com/pro...2&categoryId=1

Source : http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/cylinder-head-short-block/440147-valve-spring-comparison-2-evo-viii-stock-dsm-manley-brian-crower.html
by BogusSVO

Monday, 3 December 2012

VR4 AMG Intake Manifold 4G63

Comparison of the super Rare VR4 AMG tuned engine intake manifold vs the cyclone intake and the 1G / 4g67 intake manifold. The AMG is superior in size and flow. The AMG engine was built natural aspirated but it whopped nearly 200hp on a 2Liter 4G63.

Source : http://www.galantvr4.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Board=UBB3&Number=802855&page=5&fpart=1



Cyclone vs AMG



Evo vs Vr4 head , DSM 1g vs 2g head

There are much confusion between the 1G vs 2G DSM head. The 1G head is similar to the VR4 Head while the 2G head is similar to the Evo 1,2,3. There is another head stamped 1.8L which is similar to the VR4 but instead of 47cc , it is a 43cc combustion chamber.





Below is 2G vs Evo III Intake manifold


Thursday, 29 November 2012

Volumetric Efficiency 101




Volumetric Efficiency 101
by Brian Barnhill

Source : http://tunertools.com/articles/volumetric-efficiency.asp


This can actually be a quite tricky subject, mostly due to confusion and differing opinions among many people. Volumetric efficiency (VE) is typically defined as "the actual amount of air being pumped by the engine as compared to its theoretical maximum."
Basically, VE is a measure of how "full" the cylinders are.

As most of us will know from basic science, gas will expand to fill its container. Seemingly, that would suggest that the cylinder is always full. And, in the pure volumetric sense, that is correct. A 0.5 Liter cylinder will always have 0.5 liters of air in it. The measure we are looking for here is air density. A cylinder with 500 mols/liter of air in it is said to me "more full" than one with 400 mols/liter.
Now, where is this air density measured?

This is one of the points of disagreement. The point at which air density is measured is crucial. Many will claim that you must take the measurement at a standard, such atmospheric density. This, however, can cause many issues with VE measurements. Forced induction cars will have skewed VE values due to the simple fact that they are forcing more air into the manifold. With more air available to the engine, it will receive a larger/more dense amount. This is not a pure measurement of the efficiency of the engine,

To correct for these factors, air density available at the intake manifold should be used. This will correctly measure the VE based on the amount of air available to the engine. As a simple example: Take a 4 cylinder, 2.0 Liter engine (assume even flow to each cylinder) each cylinder will be 0.5 liters. If the intake manifold has a density of 100 mols/liter (this gives 25 mols/cyl), at 100% VE, the cylinder will have 25 mols/Liter. This comes from the equation:
VE = Densitycylinder/Densitymanifold * 100%

Lets look at this another way. Say the cylinder in a single cylinder engine has 186 mols/Liter. Now, the density of at the manifold is measured at 213 mols/Liter. The calculation of VE gives: VE = 286/213 * 100% or 87.32%
It is upon this principle that variable valve timing and similar technologies rely.

They will change the flow aspects of the engine to best match the particular RPM range. An engine is typically only maximized for a particular rpm range. By allowing the change in parameters, this can be overcome. This can easily be seen when looking at DYNO charts for any Vtec equipped engine (the S2000 is a good example). In these charts there will be a "double peak." The horsepower will begin to fall off at one point, and then climb again. This rpm point will correspond to the "Vtec" point.

Volumetric Efficiency plays a large role in how your engine operates. By understanding this parameter one can begin to grasp the details required to properly tune any engine.

4G63 Camshaft Specifications



CAM ADV Duration Duration @ 1mm Peak Lift (mm) Centerline
Intake OEM EVO 248 200 9.8
Exhaust OEM EVO 248 200 9.32
lIntake Brian Crower 272 206 10.54
Exhaust Brian Crower 272 206 9.86
Intake Brian Crower 276 216 11.07
Exhaust Brian Crower 276 216 11.07
Intake Brian Crower 280 213 10.3
Exhaust Brian Crower 280 216 10.36
Intake Brian Crower 288 222 11.83
Exhaust Brian Crower 288 220 12.14
Intake Buddy Club Spec 1 264 10.8 108
lExhaust Buddy Club Spec 1 272 10.2 107
Intake Buddy Club Spec 2 272 10.8 108
Exhaust Buddy Club Spec 2 264 10.2 107
Intake Eitidd‘. Club Spec 3 280 10.3 116
Exhaust Buddy Club Spec 3 230 10.2 116
Intake Buddy Club Spec 4 290 11.5 110
Exhaust Buddy Club Spec 4 290 11.5 110
Intake Comp 264 248 10.3 104
Exhaust Comp 264 248 10.2 112
Intake Comp 272 256 10.8 104
Exhaust Comp 272 257 10.2 112
Intake Comp 280 264 11 104
Exhaust Comp 280 265 10.4 112
Intake Cosworth M2 272 11
Exhaust Cosworth M2 272 11
Intake Costworth M3 280 11.6
Exhaust Costworth M3 272 11
Intake FP 4R 267 221 11.1 108
Exhaust FP 4R 275 228 10.9 113
Intake FP 5R 279 233 12.1 110
Exhaust FP 5R 285 238 11.8 114
Intake GSC S1 268 216 11 107
Exhaust GSC S1 268 220 10.5 113
Intake GSC S2 274 230 11.2 107
Exhaust GSC S2 274 230 11 113
Intake GSC S3 280 238 11.7 109
Exhaust GSC S3 280 235 11.7 115
Intake Greddy 260 10.8 110
Exhaust Greddy 260 10.3 112
Intake HKS Step 1 264 10.8 110
Exhaust HKS Step 1 264 10.2 110
Intake HKS Step 1 272 10.8 110
Exhaust HKS Step 1 272 10.2 110
Intake HKS Step 1 280 10.8 110
Exhaust HKS Step 1 280 10.2 110
Intake HKS Step 2 274 11
Exhaust HKS Step 2 278 11
Intake JUN 264 264 10.5 110
Exhaust JUN 264 264 10.5 115
Intake JUN 272 272 235 10.8 110
Exhaust JUN 272 272 235 10.8 115
Intake Kelford TX258 258 208 10.5 107
Exhaust Kelford TX258 264 220 10.5 111
Intake Kelford TX264 264 216 11 107
Exhaust KeIford TX264 260 216 10.35 113
Intake kelford TX272 272 226 11 107
Exhaust Kelford TX272 272 226 11 113
Intake Kelford TX280 280 233 113 107
Exhaust Kelford TX280 276 230 11 115
Intake Kelford TX288 288 242 12 105
Exhaust Kelford TX288 280 238 11.5 117
Intake Kelford TX276HL 276 234 123 106
Exhaust Kelford TX276HL 272 230 12 115
Intake Kelford TX284HL 284 242 12.5 106
Exhaust Kelford TX284HL 280 238 12 116
Intake kelford TX294HL 294 250 12.5 106
Exhaust Kelford TX294HL 292 244 12 117
Intake Piper Drag Race 290 11.99 106
Exhaust Piper Drag Race 290 11.99 106
Intake Piper Race 274 11.99 106
Exhaust Piper Race 274 11.99 106
Intake Piper Race 274 11.51 106
Exhaust Piper Race 274 11.51 106
Intake Piper Race 270 11.51 106
Exhaust Piper Race 270 11.51 106
Intake Piper Fast Road 272 10.8 108
Exhaust Piper Fast Road 256 10.16 107
Intake Piper Fast Road 264 11 108
Exhaust Piper Fast Road 260 10.1 107
Intake Piper Ultimate Road 265 11.51 108
Exhaust Piper Ultimate Road 265 10.8 107
Intake Piper Rally 265 11.51 108
Exhaust Piper Rally 265 11.51 107
Intake Piper Group A 265 11.51 106
Exhaust Piper Group A 267 9.61 108
Intake Revolver 262 222 11.4 109
Exhaust Revolver 264 223 11.5 111
Intake Skunk2 Tuner Series 264 10.8
Exhaust Skunk2 Tuner Series 272 10.2
Intake Tomei PON 260 10.7
Exhaust Tomei PON 260 10.2
Intake Tomei PON Type R 270 10.7
Exhaust Tomei PON Type R. 270 10.2
Intake Tomei PRO 270 11.5 110
Exhaust Tomei PRO 270 11.5 115
Intake Tomei PRO Solid 230 11.5
Exhaust Tomei PRO Solid 230 11.5
Intake Tomei Pro Solid 290 11.5
Exhaust Tomei Pro Solid 290 11.5

Monday, 26 November 2012

Cable Plug Information

Review: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/frequently-answered-dsm-questions/147493-answer-spark-plug-wires-ignition-wires.html

This is to help all those looking to upgrade their ignition wires and are not sure what brand they would like to buy.

The following is the resistance measured in ohms/ft by each major ignition wire distributer.

(low = good, high = bad)




MSD Ignition 8.5mm Super Conductor (40-50 ohms/ft)
Accel Thundersport (150 ohms/ft)
Taylor 8mm Spiro Pro (350 ohm/ft)
Aurora ignition wire set (400 ohms/ft)
Vitek Performance Cables (their web site does not mention resistance, but John Monnin measured them at about 800 ohms/ft; the label under Vitek's braiding says "Magstar Gold 8mm High Performance S-4 Stainless Steel Mag Wire" - thanks John!; Magstar wires are manufactured by Wiretec)
Wiretec Magstar Gold (800 ohms/ft as measured by John Monnin)
NGK Resistor Spark Plug Wire Set (2600 ohms/ft)
Mitsubishi factory wire sets (3000++ ohms/ft)
Car Quest brand wire sets (3000++ ohms/ft - Thanks to Bret for measuring these wires.)
Magnecor KV85 (6000++ ohms/ft)

VR4 vs Evo Layout

VR4 and Evo has different layouts, different intake manifolds. The Coil plugs of the VR4 are longer as the coils sits down below compared to the evo.




Credits of pictures to VTEC_THIS from dsmtuners.

4G63 Spark Plugs Info

The Spark Plug FAQ: or "What spark plugs should I use in my DSM?"

Every few weeks, sometimes even every few days, there comes a thread where a new owner of a DSM asks what the best spark plugs are for his or her car. More rare, but still seen every once in a while is the question posed where the owner is having problems with the car stumbling, hesitating, losing power, and otherwise not running quite right. In some cases, it is due to not running the correct spark plug or plug type. In this FAQ, I'll try to depict a few different types of spark plug and the pro's and con's of each. There's a fairly definite answer to the question you may have: "What spark plug should I use in my DSM," but we'll get to that later.

Source : http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/frequently-answered-dsm-questions/233421-spark-plug-faq.html

First, a few pictures of some various spark plugs you may be currently using, have used in the past, or have considered using. Note: The following applies mostly to turbo DSM's and may not reflect usage in a non-turbo application.

#1. The NGK BPR6ES. This is what the majority of DSM'ers who don't have too many mods or are running fairly low boost will tend to use.




#2. This is the NGK BPR6EKN. This is what you'll most likely be offered if you walk into an auto parts store or dealership and ask for plugs for your turbo DSM, because this is the plug called for in the Owner's Manual and the shop manual. It was the standard factory plug for turbo DSMs. Notice the dual electrode. It's fairly pointless, since the spark will only jump to one of them, but these are an option for our cars, although not the best option. Unless part of your shop's income is generated by selling spark plugs, of course.



#3. This is a Bosch Super plug for the DSM 4g63t. It's a copper plug, fairly similar to the NGK, more or less. You may be offered this plug when you go to an auto parts store.



#4. This is a Bosch Platinum plug. This is another option you may be given when you go to your local auto parts store. It has been the experience of nearly ever DSM'er that you should avoid platinum plugs at all costs in turbocharged applications. The salesperson will most likely tell you that platinum plugs last a long time, or maybe they're on sale. It doesn't matter. They simply are not the best, nor worth the cost, for our cars.




A note about the pic: Do you notice anything missing that was visible in the previous pictures? That's right. The center electrode is amazingly small, nearly invisible. Below are two internal diagrams of the Bosch plugs (copper and platinum) from the exterior of their respective boxes.




#5. Here is a Bosch Platinum +4. It has four electrodes and a small platinum center electrode.




I don't have any pictures of any iridium plugs because they're special order where I work, and we didn't have any in stock. This isn't suprising because of their cost. For the price of a single iridium plug, you could have an entire set of standard copper plugs with money left over for a gapping tool and a frosty beverage.

One of the most frequently asked questions that crops up often here on DSMtuners is: "What kind of spark plug should I use in my (turbo) DSM?"
Use NGKs. They are the best for our cars. For some unknown reason, our cars just 'prefer' them.

HEAT RANGES:

An important feature of spark plugs that often goes unnoticed, or is often misunderstood, is what is known as the "heat range" of a spark plug. The spark plug must dissipate heat. Different heat ranges of spark plugs dissipate heat at different rates, which allows people to use different plugs for different applications. The plugs do not create heat, but instead remove it. The heat is transferred through the metal shell of the plug, to the head, where it is removed by the oil and water passages in the head. The way it does so is best shown by this diagram from NGK's website:



Different companies sometimes use different methods for determining the heat ranges of their plugs. NGK, for example, uses lower numbers for hotter plugs and higher numbers for colder plugs; i.e. BPR6ES plugs are hotter than BPR7ES plugs. Using too cold of a plug in your car will lead to fouling, but using too hot of a plug may lead to a hot-spot developing on the plug surface, which may result in pre-ignition/detonation. The ideal situation is to use the coldest plug possible without fouling.

Here's a comparison of three spark plugs made by NGK. At first glance, you may not notice a difference. Upon closer inspection, you may find that the shape and thickness of the white insulator around the center electrode thickens as the plug's heat range goes colder. In addition, the insulator is in contact with more of the outer shell where the threads of the plug are as the plug's range goes colder. On the left is a BPR5ES, in the middle is a BPR7ES, and on the right is a BPR9ES.



The more contact the insulator has with the outer shell, the more heat can be transferred out of the plug and into the head. Heat doesn't travel through air as well, so in a plug with less contact with the outer shell, the core of the plug stays hotter.

Another frequently asked question seen here (now that you know you need NGKs) is: "What heat range of NGK do I need for my (turbo) DSM?"
There are no set rules, but there are guidelines:
-For stock to near-stock cars, BPR6ES.
-For mildly modified to - heavily modified or high-boost, use BPR7ES.
-For heavily modified, high boost applications, use BPR8ES.
If plug fouling occurs, go one step hotter and monitor performance and results.


Example:
Stock car, T25/14b, 12-15 psi, upgraded intake/exhaust: 6ES
16g, 20 psi, water/meth injection : 7ES-8ES
GT35R, nitrous, the works: 8ES-9ES-10ES


METALS:

Copper, Platinum, Iridium. (What's next, Adamantium?) What's the right one for you? As mentioned earlier, the vast majority of DSM'ers will swear by standard NGK copper plugs. Platinum is not as good a conductor as copper, but it's harder so it lasts longer. Iridium is also very hard, but it's also very rare, which makes it expensive. The consensus regarding iridium plugs is that while they work, they're not worth the price when standard $2/each copper plugs work more or less the same. Even though platinum plugs are closer in price to copper plugs, it's been my experience along with many other members, that running platinum plugs caused fouling, stumbling, hesitation, a loss of power, a decrease in gas mileage, and poor idle. Switching to standard NGK copper plugs solved the problems immediately.

Here's the answer to one of those common questions: "My car stumbles/hesitates/has no power/idles oddly/has lost gas mileage/does not perform well..."
If you are running platinum spark plugs and notice that your car isn't running right.... take them out and put in NGK BPR6ES spark plugs and see if your situation improves.

GAP:

Another common question is in regards to the proper gap of a spark plug. This refers to the space between the center electrode and the side electrode. The average auto-parts store computer will usually suggest a gap for each spark plug that they have in their computers. However, in most cases, the best gap to use is the one specified by the manufacturer of your car. In the case of turbo DSM's, many people choose to gap their plugs to .028". DSM'ers have had good experiences with slightly larger gaps (.030-.032") as well as with smaller gaps (.026"). The computer where I work suggests a gap of .032" for the spark plugs for our cars.

Spark plugs do not come from the factory pre-gapped. You may open a spark plug up and find that it meets your gap needs, but this does not mean that the next identical spark plug will have the exact same gap. To be sure, manually gap each spark plug you install. There are several tools to help you measure a spark plug's gap. Here are three of the most common: a gapping disc ($.99), a blade measurer ($3) and a wire-gapper ($3). What you use is your preference. Many people say that the ramp-style gappers are not as accurate. They'll work in a pinch, but the wire and blade gapping tools are preferred.



Here's an answer to another commonly asked question: "What should I gap my spark plugs to?"
Gap your plugs to .028"

My good friend Anthony (DSMunknown) has brought to my attention that there has been some discussion in past years regarding the gap of spark plugs opening up over time, possibly due to long projected tip or high exhaust gas temperatures. If you race or dyno your car regularly, checking your spark plug gaps on a regular basis (once ever 5 dyno pulls or once every 3-5 1/4 mile runs, or so) and monitoring whether they are opening up or not. If they are, you'll need to replace or re-gap more often than drivers who daily-drive their cars. More info on this will be forthcoming as research is conducted and reported.



To sum up: In general the BEST spark plug for our cars is the NGK BPR6ES gapped to .028", varying heat range depending on modifications.

For more information:
NGK Spark Plug Information
Decoding NGK Spark Plug part numbers.
Reading spark plugs
An in-depth look at spark plugs.
A VERY in-depth look at plug, brought to you by our cousins, the Stealth/3kGT.
A conglomeration of threads discussing different experiences with spark plugs.